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Which of these two Rs is the real kicker?What do you think of the copper-coloured highlights on the Cupra R? They might be construed as quite a divisive package, but in response there are two points. Firstly, Seat is only bringing in 24 and they’re all sold, so who cares what we think. And the second point is that we’re matching it with a Honda Civic Type R, so any concern about some styling elements of the Seat being over the top are completely on the Leon is enhanced by a modified Cupra body kit, and it comes with big brakes, revamped steering and camber angles, and a rortier exhaust. Styling on the Honda is, well, it’s whatever you think it is. So let’s stop looking at that outrageous spoiler and those basking shark vents, and step which point you’re met by a certain amount of red but beyond that you’re noticing that this is a seriously sorted, well laid out cabin that is a big step up from where the Civic Type R used to be. The seats – very red – are also very low, putting you just where you want to be when the rev counter heads towards the Civict Type R Price: £30,995 Engine: four-cylinder, turbo, petrol Power: 316bhp Torque: 295lb/ft 0-62mph: Top speed: 169mph Economy: CO2 emissions: 176g/kmIn the Cupra R it’s all pretty good, with highlights including the Alcantara wrapped round the steering wheel, and the great infotainment system (the one in the Honda is beyond hopeless). But, taken overall, you seem to be sitting too high and it feels more like a city car than a serious sporting nothing city car about the Honda, which is obviously bigger, lower and just generally more. The chassis feels supremely well sorted, leaving the suspension to do its thing of absorbing what we laughingly call our roads. It’s never going to be anything other than firm, even in Comfort setting, yet it’s not overly firm. Generally it feels brilliantly spent a very large fortune and sacrificed slaves and territories to turn the family saloon into something so very special. It’s clear that Seat tried very hard but they didn’t quite have so many human sacrifices to offer, nor as much gold in the treasury – or, at least, they weren’t prepared to spend it effect is a car that is very good by the standards of these things, but in comfort mode it feels like a jelly compared to the Honda, and then the jelly sets rather hard further up the you’re really motoring though, you’re reminded of the similarity in DNA between the Cupra and VW’s Golf Clubsport S. The real highlight though isn’t the top end, fabulous though that Leon Cupra R Price: £34,995 Engine: four-cylinder, turbo, petrol Power: 305bhp Torque: 280lb/ft Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive 0-62mph: Top speed: 155mph Economy: CO2 emissions: 170g/kmIt’s the Leon’s remarkable ability to pull from just about anywhere on the dial that really impresses. This is a very easy engine to use, and it means you can rev it out like a boy racer or go virtually as quickly but with minimal sweat. That’s a neat it’s one the Honda can’t quite match. The turbocharged four-pot in the Honda certainly pulls hard, let’s not get carried away, but there’s just a hint of lag, just a bit more need for revs than in the Seat. The effect is that the Honda seems to build harder as the revs rise, aided further by a really delightful clutch and the Honda that really talks to you, telling you what’s going on all the time, helping you feel more at one with the machine. All those slaves and empires didn’t fall for nothing. The depth of ability here is basically bottomless, right up until R+ mode, which is actually a bit much for British roads – it can be too much on some racetracks even. Short of that though, the Type R is really, truly Cupra gets better as you go harder, but you can feel it taking the steps, stiffening the suspension and steering, while the Honda has such a wondrous chassis there isn’t such an awareness that these things are happening or need to are going to be some who will find the styling of the latest Type R simply too much to stomach. They’d prefer the Cupra R, but they’re only going to get one if they buy it already aesthetics aside, while the Cupra R is a great car and Seat must be commended for turning the Leon into such a remarkable force, it’s the Honda every time that shows what endless commitment, budget and engineering brilliance can achieve, even with a family saloon.
The latest on the market is the Honda Civic Type R. It rolls up to the starting line with a price of £29,995 and a 305bhp turbocharged 2-litre engine. It wants to cross the finishing line ahead of the Volkswagen Golf R, Ford Focus ST, Mégane Renaultsport 275 Trophy and Seat Leon Cupra 280. The SEAT Leon Cupra is arguably the bargain performance hatchback of the moment. It shares many components with the brilliant Volkswagen Golf R, only omitting the four-wheel-drive system, an extra 20hp and around £3,000 extra cost. If it’s sharpness and aggression you’re after, however, the new Honda Civic Type R surely deserves your attention. This wild-looking hatchback has performance to match its outlandish style, and is a worthy contender for the hot hatch crown. On paper though, the SEAT and the Honda are surprisingly closely matched. So which is the car for you? If you’ve already fallen for either, pop either the Honda Civic Type R or the SEAT Leon Cupra into our car configurator to see how much carwow could help you save. Styling SEAT and Honda couldn’t have taken more different approaches to styling. The Leon relies on simple details, making the most of the sharp, attractive lines of the regular car. If anything, it’s even more subtle than its Volkswagen Golf R cousin. Only when you move towards the more extreme 280 Sub8 version do things start to look more wild. In contrast, the Type R is all about big grilles, outrageous side skirts and downforce-inducing wings and diffusers. It’ll certainly get you noticed, but it might be a level of attention not everyone will be comfortable with… Interior The Civic’s interior upgrades aren’t quite as over the top, but they still clearly hint at the performance on offer. The sports seats (which one or two testers suggested were mounted a touch too high) are trimmed in red fabric, while the sporty aluminium gear knob is close to the steering wheel for quicker gear changes. The wheel itself gains flashes of red leather, and is flat-bottomed, like many sporty cars these days. Like the outside, the Leon’s cabin is a little more grown-up than the Civic (or dull, depending on your point of view). The cabin is well-screwed together but it’s all a little too full of black plastic to look special enough. The one saving grace is the steering wheel, which is lovely to hold. When it comes to the sensible stuff, the Leon has a little more space for rear seat passengers (particularly headroom) but the Civic has a huge boot. However, the Leon is offered in ST estate for those needing more room. Driving Despite their vastly different looks, out on the road, both of these cars are exciting and entertaining in equal measure. The Cupra is praised for its tight body control and responsive chassis while the ride – although firm – is never deemed to be uncomfortable. The Leon’s more advanced suspension setup at the rear suggests it will be the more entertaining drive, but the Civic takes all of these traits and moves each of them up another notch. The grip is described as “enormous” by testers and body control is “exemplary”. The steering is sharp and direct and, even if it is lacking in some feel, it’s still an improvement over the variable-ratio setup the Leon uses. The Honda’s gearchange action is brilliant and adds to the sporty driving experience. The SEAT’s manual is not quite on the same level, but the optional dual-clutch automatic gearbox allows for rapid shifts or automatic operation if needed. Engines Both the Civic and the Leon use turbocharged petrol engines to send their power to the front wheels only. The SEAT is the slower of the two, yet still hits 62mph from rest in seconds (when equipped with the DSG gearbox) before reaching a top speed of 155mph, says it all really. The Civic? Knock another tenth off the 0-62mph time and add 12mph to the top speed… Four-cylinder turbocharged engines aren’t normally the sweetest-sounding of units, but the SEAT and the Honda both provide a suitably naughty soundtrack to match the performance. Value for money Of the two, the SEAT is the cheaper car to buy. Even before the generous discounts SEAT dealers are willing to offer (particularly through our deal checker) the Leon is just under £2,500 cheaper than the Civic. It’s also worth bearing in mind that the top-spec GT version of the Honda – which adds a better stereo, dual-zone climate control and automatic lights – costs a further £2,300. The Leon is claimed to return which is noticeably better than the Civic’s official figure of However, testers have confirmed that, in real world conditions, buyers should expect much closer to low-thirties from both. When it comes to depreciation, both the Honda and the SEAT should hold their value quite well, and you never know – if you decide to hold onto one for a really long time and if their cult status lives on, they may start to creep up in value again… Verdict Both the SEAT Leon Cupra and the Honda Civic Type R are class-leading hot hatches. On balance though, the Civic is faster, more exciting to look at and a little more thrilling to drive. However, you could easily argue a case for the SEAT. Given that it’s a few grand cheaper to buy – and likely to be cheaper to run, too – any deficiencies it gives away to the Honda are due to the lower price. Overall, the Civic wins out for the ultimate hot hatch driving experience. However, if the purchase price is just a little high or you prefer the automatic gearbox and better ride, you won’t be disappointed with the Leon at all. What next? Pop either the Honda Civic Type R or the SEAT Leon Cupra into our car configurator to see how much carwow could help you save. Check out our deals page for more options or, if you’re still struggling to choose what car you’d like, head over to our car chooser.

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Skip to ContentSkip to FooterHonda Civic Type R vs SEAT Leon Cupra & Renaultsport Megane 275 TrophyCan Honda’s new Civic Type R beat SEAT and Renault and blast to the top of the hot hatch class?2 Jul 2015Sales of hot hatchbacks took a nosedive after the global financial crisis, but high-performance family cars are now making a comeback, and their popularity is most definitely on the up. • Best hot hatchbacksAfter a five-year wait, Honda is back in the ring with its new Civic Type R, and it’s spoiling for a fight against the best in the are some big changes underneath that mean this hot Honda now has the firepower to potentially beat the best, including a new, more powerful turbo. However, it faces a tough challenge in the form of our reigning hot hatch champion – the SEAT Leon Cupra – and the old-school favourite, the Renaultsport Mégane seen here in 275 Trophy thrills are what the current crop delivers, and on the face of things the Civic Type R has the practicality to match its blistering real-world performance and agile handling. However, at £29,995 for the standard model, it’s more expensive than both rivals we’ve lined up. So, can the Honda’s extra on-paper pace and versatile cabin edge it ahead of the competition?We put the hot hatch trio to the test on road and track to find out...• Honda Civic Type R review• SEAT Leon Cupra review• Renaultsport Megane 275 Trophy reviewClick the links above to read individual reviews, and scroll down to see which hot hatch comes out on top...Head-to-headTrack focusPerformance modes are the current trend. SEAT’s switchable Drive Profiles (above) let you tailor the different settings, but with no data readouts. Honda’s +R mode is less customisable yet provides extra info, including a 0-62mph timer. And Renault’s RS Monitor gives performance readouts such as cornering g-force.’Ring recordSEAT started the hot hatch war with its Nürburgring lap record of 7: which Renault’s 275 then knocked four seconds off. Honda has now shattered this with a blistering 7: time, making it the fastest front-wheel- drive hatch to lap the are subjective, but the Honda’s eye-popping design may be a bit much for some. The Renault and SEAT are more reserved – although in the case of the Trophy, only just. Swap white for black contrast details on the Leon, and it looks even place: SEAT Leon CupraSEAT’s hold over the hot hatch class continues, thanks to the Leon Cupra’s huge spread of ability. In some areas the others may be more focused, but the figures don’t lie: the Cupra is still sensationally fast. It feels alive to drive, too, and responds to your inputs faithfully to inspire huge confidence. Settle down to a leisurely pace and it’s the easiest to live with. Plus, its price advantage seals the place: Honda Civic Type ROutright power isn’t enough to knock the SEAT off the top spot. However, the new Civic Type R is a resounding success and has been worth the wait. It mixes devilish speed with surprising practicality, but falls short in a few areas. Its styling will divide opinion, it isn’t as well equipped and it can’t match the SEAT’s comfort – but on a twisty road it’s devastatingly place: Renaultsport Megane 275 TrophyThe Mégane RS has aged nicely. Its chassis is as sweet as ever and delivers a brawny hot hatch experience laden with feel. However, costly options are needed to keep up with rivals, so combined with lower economy, steeper depreciation, poorer practicality and a more dated interior, the Renault finishes third. The margin isn’t massive, but rivals are starting to edge further soon…Ford Focus RSDue: 2016 Price: £30,000 (est.) Engine: 4cyl, 345bhpWith similar pricing, plus more power and four-wheel drive, Ford’s new range-topping Focus RS could upstage the Civic Type R when it hits dealers next year. It’ll also offer the practicality of a five-door specs: SEAT Leon Cupra 280Honda Civic Type RRenaultsport Megane 275 TrophyOn-the-road price/total as tested£28,210/£30,450£29,995/£29,995£28,930/£34,475Residual value (after 3yrs/30,000)£12,080/ tax liability std/higher rate£1,455/£2,909£1,719/£3,439£1,658/£3,315Annual fuel cost (12k/20k miles)£1,991/£3,318£2,276/£3,794£2,378/£3,964Ins. group/quote/road tax band/cost33/£526/G/£18033/£558/H/£20536/£598/H/£205Cost of 1st/2nd/3rd service£179/£229/£179£215/£285/£365£399 (3yrs) Length/wheelbase4,271/2,631mm4,390/2,605mm4,312/2,640mmHeight/width1,434/1,816mm1,466/1,878mm1,423/1,848mmEngine4cyl in-line/1,984cc4cyl in-line/1,996cc4cyl in-line/1,998ccPeak power276/5,600 bhp/rpm306/6,500 bhp/rpm271/5,500 bhp/rpmPeak torque350/1,700 Nm/rpm400/2,500 Nm/rpm370/3,000 Nm/rpmTransmission6-spd man/fwd6-spd man/fwd6-spd man/fwdFuel tank capacity/spare wheel50 litres/space-saver50 litres/repair kit60 litres/repair kitBoot capacity (seats up/down)380/1,210 litres477/1,210 litres344/991 litresKerbweight/payload1,395/495kg1,382/318kg1,376/441kgTurning circle/drag metres/N/ metres/N/ metres/ warranty (miles)/recovery3yrs (60,000)/2yrs3yrs (90,000)/3yrs4yrs (100,000)/4yrsService intervals/UK dealers20,000 (2yrs)/12812,500 (1yr)/19618,000 (1yr)/153Driver Power manufacturer/dealer Adult/child/ped./assist/stars94/92/70/71/5^94/83/69/86/5^^83/78/60/56/5^^^ 0-60/ seconds30-50mph in 3rd/ seconds50-70mph in 5th/ secondsTop speed/rpm at 70mph155mph/2,500rpm167mph/2,600rpm159mph/2,500rpmBraking 70-0/60-0/ levels outside/idle/30/70mph70/56/64/70dB71/56/65/71dB73/56/68/73dBAuto Express econ (mpg/mpl)/ milesGovt urban/extra-urban/ urban/extra-urban/ CO2/tax bracket205/154g/km/26%234/170g/km/29%244/174g/km/29% Airbags/Isofix/park. sensors/cameraSeven/yes/yes/£215Six/yes/£2,300+/yesSix/yes/yes/£350Auto gearbox/stability/cruise control£1,355/yes/yesNo/yes/yesNo/yes/yesClimate control/leather/heated seatsYes/£1,055/£360**Yes/no/noYes/part/noMetallic paint/xenons/keyless go£575/LED/noYes/LED/yes£1,300/no/yesSat-nav/USB/DAB radio/BluetoothYes/yes/yes/yes£2,300+/yes/yes/yesYes/yes/no/yesMost PopularNew MG 4 prototype reviewRoad testsNew MG 4 prototype reviewWe try out the new all-electric MG4 ahead of its arrival in the UK25 Jul 2022New MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNewsNew MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNew small MINI electric crossover is due in a few years, and this concept gives a very strong hint of what the production-ready MINI Aceman could look…26 Jul 2022Toyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewCar group testsToyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewDoes Toyota’s all-new bZ4X electric SUV crack the family-friendly formula? 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The Honda Civic is slightly shorter than the Hyundai Sonata, which may make it easier to park. Handling. The Honda Civic has about the same turning radius as the Hyundai Sonata, allowing equal maneuverability in and out of tight spots. Performance. In terms of horsepower, it's basically a tie between the Honda Civic and the Hyundai Sonata.
Reality sometimes gets skewed at Speed Week. I mean, it's enough of a head-scrambler that we have both the P1 and 918 at our beck and call for a week, but down at the far end of the pitlane an entire touring car team is hanging out. There are laptops and air jacks, tyres by the score, neatly pressed team uniforms and talk of scrubbing in and diff settings. This is Honda Yuasa Racing. They've won 22 BTCC titles. Matt Neal is here, and so is his car. Whichis an estate. that weren't eye-rubbing enough, next to it sits another chunk of hardcore hatchery, the Seat Leon Cup Racer. You can buy one of these for £75,000 if you so wish, and if you spent a chunk more on it, I suspect you could make it road-legal. Or head in the other direction and compete in world touring cars. Or leave it as a bonkers track-day weapon. Seat says it's 30 per cent roadcar, but the only bit I recognise inside is the DSG gearlever. It looks worryingly seems odd that just about every car in the pitlane produces more power and will later get a chance to prove it by hammering these two in a straight line. Corners, though, are another matter altogether. And not an entirely straightforward one. You see, one of these behaves as you'd imagine a touring car to behave. The other doesn't. The only thing predictable about it is its Rowan HorncastleAdvertisement - Page continues belowI clamber into the Leon. There's a brake bias dial, some toggles for the ignition and many buttons on the steering wheel. The only one I actually need switches the cabin fan on and off. It gets hot in racing cars. It has 330bhp, which ought to be a lot for the front wheels to cope with, but is tamed by a hooky differential, punchy track widths and a broad expanse of slick rubber. Keen and smooth and grippy, it gives you a genuine flavour of racing without any intimidation. Well, a little intimidation - even when the rear tyres are warmed through, they'll give you a gentle nudge into oversteer if you chicken out mid-corner, and the DSG gearbox is a bit... it all holds together, the familiar turbo gets its point across effectively, the brakes are mighty and there's a cheeky scuff from the front splitter through a couple of the more twisted corners. And just like the best racers, the Leon then breaks down when we drive it slowly for tracking pictures. The next day, a man with a laptop comes. It makes no odds - the engine has had a strop. No laptime. This is a shame, as I'm 100 per cent sure it would've been faster than Matt Neal's racecar. With me driving, at this is Matt's actual racing car, not a demo or development car, and the process here is more complex. Matt has to warm it up and scrub in a new set of tyres. I have a lesson, during which I learn the Civic has a very active front diff and that I mustn't fiddle with the buttons, plus notice that the engineers and mechanics appear to be even more apprehensive than I am. They demand I wear race overalls, but, short of stripping Stig, the only set available belongs to Matt himself. So I'm not only driving his car but wearing his clothes. Matt is 6ft 6in. I look like an Oompa Loompa. I couldn't care less. I'm about to drive a front-running BTCC car, and if it drives as simply as the Leon, this will be a walk in the Corner one: massive rear-end skid - no heat in the rear tyres. Corner two: I do one thing with the steering, but, when I get back on the power, the car chooses a different direction entirely. Corner three: I turn the steering wheel, and nothing much happens. I panic and throw more lock on, at which point the front end bites abruptly and the rear slides again. Corner four, the hairpin: a repeat of corner one. Corner five is a heart-in-mouth fast left-hander onto the back straight. I'm so cowed, I'd have been faster in the - Page continues belowClearly, there's a lot going on here: the chief culprits being tyre temperature, a hilariously mobile rear end and a front diff that's too clever for its own good. I'm amazed how quickly - and noticeably - heat builds in the tyres, and lap two is a bit calmer. But the harder I go, the more aggressive the rear steering gets and the busier the diff. I have many methods of steering the car, only one of which is the wheel in front of me. That, the diff, the rear end and brakes can be used in any combination you see fit, all at the same time - and I've never been much of a multitasker. Everything affects the car's trajectory; it never seems to take the same corner the same way on any two laps. My brain struggles with the data starts to gel eventually, but if this Civic has taught me anything, it's just how ridiculously tricky it is to set up a touring car to go fast. You could spend days tweaking diff lock-up, damper rebound, rear camber and all the rest. After a few more laps, I decide that this would be a very good way to spend a few days. It's absorbingly tricky to drive fast. Bit like the P1. My reality has been skewed ContentGet all the latest news, reviews and exclusives, direct to your clicking subscribe, you agree to receive news, promotions and offers by email from Top Gear and BBC Studios. Your information will be used in accordance with our privacy policy.
Citroen C4 VS Seat Leon Συγκριτικό. 28/11/2023. 0,6 λτ/100 χλμ λιγότερο καίει το Citroen σε μικτό κύκλο και στην πόλη. Πιο γρήγορο το Seat Leon, τόσο από εκκίνηση όσο και στο προσπέρασμα. Το Leon είναι πιο σπορτίφ, το C4 Jesteś na Forum Samochodowe Forum Motoryzacyjne Jakie auto kupić? Który lepszy? Honda Civic vs. Seat Leon Który lepszy? Honda Civic vs. Seat Leon Honda Civic 11 55% Seat Leon 9 45% Razem głosów : 20 Odpowiedz z cytatem Szukam samochodu stosunkowo nowego 2006-2008, za ok. 45 tyś. Na oku mam dwa modele, Hondę Civic i Seata Leon. Przyznaję, że zewnętrznie bardziej podoba mi się Leon, jednak jego wnętrze ustępuje stylistyce wnętrza Civica. Wybór jest dość trudny, dlatego proszę o radę i argumenty przemawiające za wybranym modelem: Przykładowe propozycje: [link do Allegro wygasł] [link do Allegro wygasł] Z góry dziękuję za odpowiedź i pozdrawiam! PS Może warto zwrócić uwagę na Peugeota 407 z 2007r.? l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 18 Wrz 2008, 21:12 Odpowiedz z cytatem nie wierz w każde słowo jigsawa jeśli ten peugeot jest w cenie 45 k to fajna oferta raczej , zależy od auta jeszcze i nie słuchaj tego ze wszystkie francuzy to shit , renault "nasrało" w francuzkie gniazdo i peugeot na tym cierpi z tych dwóch samochodów wybrałbym civica , jest piękny w tej przytoczonej przez ciebie wersji marcinx26 Posty: 252 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 18 Wrz 2008, 23:27 Odpowiedz z cytatem Oba auta świeże, czy bezawaryjne? Trudno powiedzieć. Można zatem kierować się tym co się komu podoba. Mnie nowy Civic nie przekonuje. Jeszcze z zewnątrz jest przyjemny, nowoczesny, ale w środku jest obrzydliwy. Nie jestem małym chłopczykiem, któremu podoba się coś co szybko mruga na kolorowo. Wolę wnętrza utrzymane w starszym stylu, np. Mercedes ma rewelacyjne projekty wnętrz samochodów. Ani Audi, ani BMW nie mogą się z Merolkiem równać. Leon ma bardzo piękną, grubą kierownicę - super! Dla mnie Seat Leon - zdecydowanie. Dishman Posty: 3725 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 19 Wrz 2008, 00:24 Odpowiedz z cytatem marcinx26 - myślałem, że już skończysz te dziecinne docinki w moim kierunku. W życiu nie zestawiłbym żadnego francuza obok japończyka albo samochodu z koncernu VW, tym bardziej, że mówimy o świeżych samochodach i każdy, rozsądny człowiek przyzna mi rację. Potrzebujesz czegokolwiek z E36 328i coupe mpakiet - dużo "rarytasów" - pisz na pw, jiGsaw Posty: 5044Miejscowość: Rumia Auto: BMW Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra Ciekawe publikacje motoryzacyjne Na żywo i zza kierownicy Wakacje ze smartfonem w ręce? Dlaczego nie, o ile nie prowadzimy w tym samym czasie samochodu i nie zajmujemy się telefonem bardziej niż tym, co dzieje się na drodze. W przeciwnym razie dekoncentracja za kierownicą może skończyć ... Dacia Duster - historia Duster odniósł prawdziwy sukces, zdobywając serca 400 tysięcy klientów w ciągu niewiele ponad 3 lat od jego wprowadzenia do sprzedaży. W 2012 roku uplasował się na przykład w pierwszej dziesiątce najlepiej sprzedających ... 20 Wrz 2008, 13:47 Odpowiedz z cytatem Jednak mój wstępny kosztorys okazał się nieco nad wyrost przyjęty, bowiem do dyspozycji mam max. 45 tyś., dlatego pomyślałem nad Mazdą 6 z 2006r., bądź Mazdą 3 z '07,'08[/b], których uśrednione ceny kształtują się w okolicach 42-46 tyś. (przy dobrze wyszukanym egzemplarzu), a to zdaje się jest w zasięgu mojego budżetu. Musze powiedzieć, że to auto winno wytrzymać - pomijając nieprzewidziane sytuacje - co najmniej 5 bezawaryjnych lat, warto nadmienić także o mile widzianym silniku nie przekraczającym bowiem zależy mi na ekonomicznym aucie, swoją drogą chciałbym się dowiedziec ile takie cacko pali przy normalnej jeździe w mieście. Co Wy na to? Dobry to wybór, no i najważniejsze, czy osiągalny? Może macie dla mnie jakieś inne propozycje? (przede wszystkim nie za dużo palące, do 45 tyś., najstarsze z 2006r.) Przykładowy egzemplarz: [link do Otomoto wygasł] [link do Otomoto wygasł] Proszę o szybkie odpowiedzi, ponieważ zależy mi na czasie i fachowej pomocy. Pozdrawiam PS Nie trawię żadnych kombi l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 21 Wrz 2008, 10:43 Odpowiedz z cytatem Mazda będzie bardzo dobrym wyborem. Możesz się rozejrzeć również za czymś z TDI, jeżeli tak ważna jest ta ekonomia. Potrzebujesz czegokolwiek z E36 328i coupe mpakiet - dużo "rarytasów" - pisz na pw, jiGsaw Posty: 5044Miejscowość: Rumia Auto: BMW Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 24 Wrz 2008, 20:56 Odpowiedz z cytatem Może chociaż, narodzie Polski, coś porywającego oko polećcie, skoro już tak uporczywie milcząc znaku nie dajecie. Pamiętać jedynie musicie, drodzy internauci, o pewnych zastrzeżeniach nałożonych przeze mnie,: auto me mało-palące musi być (do 8 litrów przy spokojnej miejskiej jeździe), egzemplarze powyżej 45 tyś. zł skreślam machinalnie, i co najistotniejsze nie może sięgać rocznika starszego niźli 2006. Liczę, że z racji dużego doświadczenia i wrodzonej skłonności do altruizmu pomożecie mi w podjęciu decyzji o wadze dość znaczącej. Pozdrawiam! PS To napisane powyżej posłużyło mi ledwo za alibi dla uaktualnienia tematu najbliższego skądinąd sercu memu na tym forum. Przepraszam za to z tego miejsca serdecznie. l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 25 Wrz 2008, 01:15 Odpowiedz z cytatem Zatem polecam jakiegoś oszczędnego diesela. Skode octavie TDI powinieneś dorwać, tylko nie wiem, czy uda Ci się drugą generację, ale pierwsza też jest niezła. Potrzebujesz czegokolwiek z E36 328i coupe mpakiet - dużo "rarytasów" - pisz na pw, jiGsaw Posty: 5044Miejscowość: Rumia Auto: BMW Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 25 Wrz 2008, 11:18 Odpowiedz z cytatem Za 45 tysięcy spokojnie znajdzie się octavie nowszej generacji z całkiem niezłym wyposażeniem. Kumpel w zeszłym roku taką sprowadził i auto było świetne Ostrożność nie jest tchórzostwem. Lekkomyślność nie jest bohaterstwem. Martoro Posty: 831Miejscowość: Świętochłowice Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 28 Wrz 2008, 17:01 Odpowiedz z cytatem Powiedźcie mi, jakie wady ma Seat Leon, co w nim najczęściej się psuje? Chciałbym też wiedzieć, jakie rzeczywiste spalanie mają Leony z silnikiem diesela o pojemności przy spokojnej miejskiej jeździe. Jak wygląda sprawa przyspieszenia, itp.? Jak właściwie to auto wypada na tle innych z tego samego segmentu finansowego i konstrukcyjnego? l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra Tagi: Honda, Honda Civic, Seat, auto, samochód, tdi, szyby, wnętrze, Mazda, kupię, Peugeot, Seat Leon, VW, tdi, benzyna, Audi, diesel, wyposażenie, BMW, drogi Jakie auto kupić? Honda (modrá křivka) akceleruje nejlépe, což není vzhledem k parametrům motoru překvapení. Zelená křivka opět patří Peugeotu, červená Cupře. Civic brzdění vzdal, takže jsme zkoušeli jenom Peugeot a Seat. Francouzský hatchback (červená) vykázal lepší brzdění. Leon ale měl standardní brzdy, zájemci si mohou za
Skip to ContentSkip to FooterStylish new Honda Civic Tourer and SEAT Leon ST compact estates take on our class champion, the Skoda Octavia26 Feb 2014Compact family estate buyers have never had it so good. Most small hatches are now also offered in estate form, so there’s a wide variety of practical models available. The latest arrivals have also injected some desirability into this increasingly competitive market.• Honda Civic Tourer review• SEAT Leon ST estate review• Skoda Octavia Estate reviewThe newest kid on the block is the Honda Civic Tourer. It has the biggest boot in the class, at 624 litres, while its rear seats feature some clever folding tricks. Plus, the Civic’s i-DTEC diesel engine should strike an ideal balance between performance and newcomer is the SEAT Leon ST. It’s the first time this model has been offered as an estate, and a large boot only adds to the stylish desirability of the hatchback, which was crowned Auto Express Car of the Year put these new cars against our class benchmark: the Skoda Octavia Estate. We try diesel versions of each, and we’ll pay extra attention to their luggage areas to see which model has the practical spaceThe Honda has the biggest boot, at 624 litres, and features a 12V socket, underfloor storage, lashing eyes and a roll-back load cover. You also get underfloor storage in the SEAT, plus a 12V socket and two bag hooks, while the Skoda has four hooks and a power socket, but no hidden compartment. The Leon and Octavia both have seatback releases in the boot, and their load covers are easier to seatsNarrower back doors and angled door pillars mean the Honda’s rear seats are harder to access. Once you’re in, there’s less legroom than in either rival, and it feels more cramped, too. The Skoda and SEAT are more spacious, while their back seat passengers benefit from standard air-con costsAll three models have stop-start, and the systems were happy to cut the engine’s power with the car at a standstill for more than 30 seconds. The Octavia was most economical, just edging the Civic, with the Leon a bit further place: SEAT Leon STA WIN first time out for the Leon ST. It doesn’t boast the biggest boot here, but it does have thoughtful touches and enough space for most people. Add decent comfort, a very entertaining driving experience and good value, and it’s hard to place: Skoda Octavia EstateThe Octavia is still a sound choice if you want a no-frills estate car that will take everything you throw at it. But it’s only slighter larger than the SEAT, isn’t as stylish or affordable, and lacks some of the Leon’s versatile touches in the place: Honda Civic TourerIf you just want a big boot, then choose the Civic Tourer. But it has smaller back seats and not as many useful touches as its rivals, plus it’s pricier and not quite as well equipped. While the engine is great, the rest of the driving experience isn’t. SEAT Leon ST TDI 105 SESkoda Octavia Estate TDI 105 SEHonda Civic Tourer i-DTEC SOn-the-road price/total as tested£19,495/£23,365£20,365/£23,110£21,375/£23,845Residual value (after 3yrs/30,000)£8,773/45%£9,103/ tax liability std/higher rate£544/£1,089£569/£1,137£597/£1,194Annual fuel cost (12k/20k miles)£1,794/£2,989£1,655/£2,758£1,692/£2,820Ins. group/quote/road tax band/cost15/£356/A/£013/£378/A/£015/£366/A/£0Cost of 1st/2nd/3rd service£169/£199/£169£529 (3yrs/30k)£995 (5yrs/62,500) Length/wheelbase4,535/2,636mm4,659/2,686mm4,535/2,595mmHeight/width1,454/1,816mm1,465/1,814mm1,480/1,770mmEngine4cyl in-line/1,598cc4cyl in-line/1,598cc4cyl in-line/1,597ccPeak power104/3,000 bhp/rpm104/3,000 bhp/rpm118/4,000 bhp/rpmPeak torque250/1,500 Nm/rpm250/1,500 Nm/rpm300/2,000 Nm/rpmTransmission5-spd man/fwd5-spd man/fwd6-spd manual/fwdFuel tank capacity/spare wheel50 litres/£9550 litres/£7550 litres/repair kitBoot capacity (seats up/down)587/1,470 litres610/1,740 litres624/1,668 litresKerbweight/payload/towing weight1,331/529/1,500kg1,247/645/1,500kg1,337/460/1,400kgTurning circle/drag metres/N/ metres/ metres/N/ABasic warranty (miles)/recovery3yrs (60,000)/2yrs3yrs (60,000)/3yrs3yrs (90,000)/1yrService intervals/UK dealers10k miles (1yr)/128Variable/135Variable/223Driver Power manufacturer/dealer NCAP: Adult/child/ped./stars94/92/70/593/86/66/594/83/69/5 0-60/ secs (wet) secs (wet)30-50mph in 3rd/ secs50-70mph in 5th/ secs/N/ secs/N/ secsTop speed/rpm at 70mph119mph/2,100rpm119mph/2,100rpm121mph/2,000rpmBraking 70-0/60-0/ (wet) (wet)Noise levels outside/idle/30/70mph70/47/63/66dB70/46/64/69dB70/49/63/71dBAuto Express econ (mpg/mpl)/ milesGovt urban/extra-urban/ urban/extra-urban/ CO2/tax bracket182/99g/km/14%167/99g/km/14%171/99g/km/14% Airbags/Isofix/rear park sensors/camSeven/yes/£265/noSeven/yes/yes/noSix/yes/£535/£695Automatic box/stability/cruise control£1,250/yes/yes£1,250/yes/£180No/yes/noClimate control/leather/heated seats£350/£1,370/£350Yes/no/£200Yes/no/noMet paint/xenons/fold front pass seat£495/£995^/£75£525/£1,190/£110£500/no/noSat-nav/USB/DAB radio/Bluetooth£745/yes/£175/yes£550/yes/yes/yes£545/yes/yes/yesMost PopularNew MG 4 prototype reviewRoad testsNew MG 4 prototype reviewWe try out the new all-electric MG4 ahead of its arrival in the UK25 Jul 2022New MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNewsNew MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNew small MINI electric crossover is due in a few years, and this concept gives a very strong hint of what the production-ready MINI Aceman could look…26 Jul 2022Toyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewCar group testsToyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewDoes Toyota’s all-new bZ4X electric SUV crack the family-friendly formula? 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